54. About Idolatry.

About Idolatry.

This is the answer to a comment by Douga, in Post 61, below.

My noble Douga, I am overjoyed by your participation. I lost in the early afternoon an answer to both Tim and my beloved G.Y., somehow a fantastic comment that I could not possibly re-write as inspiration is never the same. On the other hand it also contained some of my borderline x-rated speculations which can be easily misunderstood and I am glad it did not go through.

Douga’s Comment-:

Hi Templar, I haven't read all these comments but did read your whole post

(rather long but a good read).

About that school, it is clear that because of the distance that it is from an Islamist community that they are trying to convert more people to their religion or slap the non- Islamic people in that area in the face with their religious beliefs.

But then you went on to accuse the Jews and Islamists of idolatry, maybe you should look at Catholicism with their bowing down to statues of the virgin and the rosary and all the other bullcrap that you Catholic's go on with. You ritualise communion and call a man 'Holy Father' disregarding the teachings of Jesus, but you consider yourselves Christian.

Regarding the subject of idolatry, this is of fundamental importance and no human being is totally free from some form of idolatry. Idolatry is anything that stands between anyone of us in our relationship with (God the Father, Jehovah, Jaweh ) and God.

Deuteronomy

5:7-:

You must never have any other gods against my face.

5:8-:

You must not make for yourself a carved image, any form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth.

5:9-:

You must not bow down to them or be led to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion.........................................................

Deuteronomy does not mention yet Jesus the Messiah and His controversial relationship to the Father. Jesus is in fact considered by some of us Christians also to be God, not “a God”, but God. The Gospels say Jesus and the Father are One. Jews and Moslems alike insist in calling us idolaters, since we figuratively claim that Jesus sits at the right-hand of the Father.

In Post 28 of my Google blog

http://wwwgensferreria.blogspot.com

I in fact explain the quite legitimate and acceptable way believers in the dogma of the Holy Trinity see the Oneness and Unity of the three spiritual beings who are the one and only Holy Spirit, pointing out at the unfair, even malicious anthropomorphical accusations of those ( including all jewish Rabbis and islamic Imams with their little hats, turbans and togas, etc., in their own way idolatrous paraphernalia ) who have remained behind in the knowledge of God’s knowledge’s increase resulting from the quantum-jump in human evolution at the time of Jesus descent on earth.

Of course this ideal insight cannot be represented, but it can be imagined by geniuses like Michelangelo, etc., but it is noble and grand and it enhances God's Omnipotence and Freedom while making God more accessible to humanity.

Tell me what Moslems or Jews imagine while praying to Allah or Jehovah, except the sounds of their ritualisations, recitations and incantations and formulations?

La', ila la', ilaa Allah.

Sh'maa, Israel, Yehwah Eloheinu, Jehwah Eihath.

Can the worship of God consist of words alone?

Of feelings? but how does a human being feel if not sensually and analogically?
The  sensual  is  the   door  to  all  knowledge  through   symbols  (   words  are   symbols   too  )  and   these  to  feelings.

Jesus of Nazareth is in fact an historical watershed which really separates a time BC from the one AD. In two thousand years one who is not blind or blinded by Shaitaan ( this applies to you people from Mt. Scopus or from Mecca ) has been witnessing a material, and spiritual evolution of the human species, the rate of increase of which far surpasses even the crescendo one sees in the 30,000 years BC, beginning from pre-Sumerian times and which has not only Semitic roots as the Holy Scriptures have been manipulated to make us believe.

Let us stop all their bullshit, for God’s sake and throw into their brazen, insensitive faces the centuries old scandal and obscenity of fratricidal wars in the Middle East. Do they believe more in the One God of Unity, Peace and Love or in the idolatries of their feuds, confrontations and dissensions, in the distinctions of their little hats, turbans, ghalabias and togas, some wearing black, others white, philacteries, circumcisions, halal and kosher nonsenses, etc. etc?

The christian understanding of God is to-day, for us christians, except for some who have not been trained and like to waffle, relying on the confusing list of verses taken out of context, fundamentally, as it must be, about the God of Oneness and Unity, at least much more so than in the case of Jews and Moslems.

In Post 28 I explain how the Oneness and Unity of the three purely spiritual beings, namely the Father, the Son and the Spirit must be understood, and become readly acceptable, strictly NOT UNTHROPOMORPHICALLY, as the artistic representations are bound to show. There is no way iin fact that a human artist can represent a spirit, except symbolically through the knowledge of our world of senses.

Yet it is surprising how anyone, even Douga, when one prays, how one sees God the Father one is addressing. We can only pray for the Gifts the Giver gives, and not know the Giver except through the Gifts, known through the world of senses. Knowledge, all human knowledge is sensual.

Come on, here I am waiting. Tell me.

Has anyone seen God except through HIS/HER/ITS gifts?

How does anyone then claim that one is indeed praying to Him/Her/IT and not to some idolatrous being or object among one’s desires, unless one is acknowledging the Giver of all?

Very important and fundamental question, Dear Watson, one which is at the heart of all Theology.

The prayer’s acting and being show the nature of the prayer’s God. Is the acting and being of Jews and Moslems in the World evidence of their worshipping the True , the One an Only God, or rather of Shaitaan?

A lusty arabic caravaneer can even see his beautiful  wife waiting for him back in the tent, confusing the gift with the Giver. Are we to condemn him if   she  has  been  God-given   to  him?

There are then idolatries and idolatries, which could be listed on an aristotelian list in accordance to an ethical value, on a prioritised basis or in accordance to how much the considered idolatry is affecting the relationship of the idolater with God. Aristotle is important and lack of knowledge makes the field of idolatries a plain, whereas there are priorities. Yes I love the ideal of Mary and of St. Mary Magdalene, and of course I love art works about them. It is insulting to an accuser ( I accept Douga as an inquirer though) to charge me with idolatrous worship of Mary and Magdalene. Yes there are many among Christians who do so but they are primitive people who cannot know better. What are we going to do, shoot them?

As an explanation, the highest attributes of God are Peace, Love and Unity. The worst, lowest, most damning idolatry is the one that rejects these attributes.

An idolatry like the one that says that the Qu’ran or the Old Testament cannot be interpreted in the light of the increased knowledge of God through the course of centuries, is therefore exceedingly damning too. We, the Gentiles have been flexible and open to God’s teachings through History. we are the true people of God as history is showing. The Gentiles originate from the Cro-Magnon human species which also benefited from by mixing with the adamitic one and as I shall show when I complete my modest Article about the Beginnings, manipulations of the Scriptures in Sumerian times ( oral tradition )have introduced some distortions which give Moslems and Jews false presuppositions and foster their unwarranted arrogance. Amen!

P.S. 1-: Talking about the Cro Magnon species, I wish to point out to whoever may be interested, before I die, that in Milan, Italy, when I was a boy of ten, the perfectly preserved skeletons of two men where exhibited in the crypt under the Main Altar of the Duomo, believed then to represent the remains of two saints or Martyrs. I believe one was called st.Pancratius. The skeletons had been found while digging the foundations of the Cathedral. They have now been identified as the skeletons of two Cro Magnon men. The Gentiles are descendents of this species which also mixed with the best of the Adamitic one.

I was impressed by the unbelieveable robustness, solidity and magnitude of their bones which I have always ascribed as I grew up, fundamentally to the lack of pollution of their times.

In 2004, I attempted to find out where these were now located without success. Maybe in St.Ambrose Church. The Italians are notorious absconders and manipulators of Truth.

P.S. 2-: On the subject of prayer I wish to present a Motto of a family of the De Ferrariis Clan, the Acciaiuoli, " Nescimus quid petamus Domine; Omnia pro meliora" tr." We do not know what to pray for, Lord; May all be for the Better" .

I have recently realised how this motto may be somehow arrogant and naive as a Christian should always acknowledge the fact that all human beings are sinners and that prayer should begin with a request for forgiveness. No one should feel justified in saying that one does not know what to ask for. The above motto should have been rather " Perdona nos peccata nostra, Domine; Omnia pro meliora" tr." Forgive 8us ouyr sins, Lord;May all be for the better". Tye criticised mootto was on a funerary monument and is indicative of how easy it is even for highly learned people to miss the fundamental issue in prayer.